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::PS: I don't know if it's even possible, but taking away Bluer's rights wouldn't inhibit his actions afaik (maybe it would, but I can't recall any new things I seem able to do as a sysop really) ...but just talking to him doesn't get thru. He is totalitarian. --[[User:Yksehtniycul|Yksehtniycul]] 18:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::PS: I don't know if it's even possible, but taking away Bluer's rights wouldn't inhibit his actions afaik (maybe it would, but I can't recall any new things I seem able to do as a sysop really) ...but just talking to him doesn't get thru. He is totalitarian. --[[User:Yksehtniycul|Yksehtniycul]] 18:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It is true. While I don't agree with everything that is and isn't done on this wiki, I still aim to reach some understanding and agreement. Blue is often difficult to reason with and impossible to negotiate with. While Yksehtniycul and I are not always on the same page, I've had no problem talking things through with him and things have always remained cordial. While I hate the idea of striping Blue of his power, I also hate the idea of one singular, uncompromising person crippling an information source built for so many people. Honestly, I've been busy the past week or so and am unaware of Blue contacting any administration, but given how determined Yksehtniycul had seemed to be in avoiding drama and political scandal in the times I've worked with him, I'd say there must be a serious issue here. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 09:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
== RE:Megami Tensei Wiki Conflicts ==
== RE:Megami Tensei Wiki Conflicts ==

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Main Page

You must know that the Main Page should only be protected when there is apparent vandalism. Blue。 12:41, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, Blue. It should be blocked only for unregistered users now. 16:04, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


May I request adminship? I can help volunteer to cleanup the place and help organize the wiki. My expertise is wiki markup, as evident at the Kingdom Hearts Wiki where I have setup the Wiki's layout. I have quite the experience in handling the MediaWiki system, and will try my very best to correct any discrepancies in the wiki. I am moderator in the Final Fantasy Wiki and have made more than 8,000 edits there. I am also administrator for the Kingdom Hearts Wiki and Square Wiki. For this Wiki I only wish to become administrator to help the place prepare for content. Hope you consider my application. Thank you! Blue。 17:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

You got it, Blue! Having seen your work, I think you're a real professional and (more importantly) a dedicated fan. Create a user page if you haven't already, and let me know how to access your talk page (on FF Wiki, too). I have trouble contacting you, somehow. Also, let me know how to make you an adminstrator, and it's done! Icysugarspike 18:25, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Strange. My talk page is here for you to leave a message. If you contact me here, the Wikia will notify me even if I was at the FFwiki or somewhere within Wikia, they're all connected! Okay, to make me an admin, go to the Special:Specialpages, and scroll down to the "Restricted special pages" section, where you can find the "Make a user into a sysop" link. Once the form loads, type my name in, which is Bluerfn and state the reason, then just the press the button and I'm part of the staff. Blue。 19:42, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Done! Blue, I look forward to working with you. As I stated before, I can contribute truckfuls of images. That's my forte. You work on yours. We need to get somebody with real knowledge of articles (better than mine, I'm afraid). By the way, have you checked out the VS stuff I put up over on Square Wiki? I'm sure it's not an assumption to believe you were a little excited. Bye. Icysugarspike 20:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Wiki's name?

Should it be MegaTenWiki? Blue。 20:31, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Umm, we could do that, but I believe there is an existing one with that name (it's not part of Wikia) over at Kuzunoha. However, it seems the person that started it has let it collect dust over the years. A shame, really. Out of respect for the administrator, I didn't feel that MegaTen Wiki was the proper name. Your thoughts on the matter, Blue? Icysugarspike 20:39, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Ah, sad. Well, we'll stick with Megami Tensei Wiki for awhile then, I have no ideas as of yet. Blue。 20:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

How about "meWikiTensei"? d-: -User:PanSola(talk/history) 02:44, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


I'm PanSola, a helper on Wikia Gaming stuff. I want to cheer you on for having started a new gaming-related wiki, and see if there is anything I can help a fellow Wikian with. I have been an admin on the GuildWiki for quite a while, and have hung around a number of different wikis. So if you need help with any thing, don't hesitate to ask!

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Check out the monaco skin!

Wikia has a new skin called Monaco, you can take a look at I've done some customization for the MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar, and you can find more info on customizing the skin at w:c:Inside:Monaco Skin Customization. If you like the skin, you can set it to be the site's default by going to Special:Preferences, click on the "skin" tab, and scroll to the very bottom. -User:PanSola(talk/history) 03:11, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

RE:Image Copyrights

First of all, I'm not an expert in law. But in Wikipedia, and recently in the Final Fantasy Wiki, we advocated for all images to be inserted with a Fair Use Rationale, which explains their purpose of being uploaded in the internet. So far, nothing's been done by the big companies about this issue. I guess as long as the image is given its Fair Use Rationale, no harm is done.

You can see the Copyright templates in Final Fantasy Wiki. Just type in the search template (Category:Copyright templates) Blue。 14:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Monaco customization

I see you have been testing out the monaco skin, then restoring it to default. If you are interested in a guide to customizing the Monaco skin, you can check out this guide. Note that right now the admin skin is set to the default, which means most visitors would actually be seeing the Quartz skin even if you have set yoru personal preferences to Monaco and see it. Let me know if you have any questions! -PanSola 18:58, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Well the choice of skin and looks is yours. I can help with the technical aspect of things, just let me know what you would like to see (colors, designs etc) (-: -PanSola 19:48, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Heya, I actually don't know sure which theme you have in your preferences. What you can do is, go to Special:Preferences, then click on the "Skin" tab. The upper portion of that page will show you which skin and theme you have in your personal preferences, then you can scroll all the way down to the bottom of the page, and find a dropdown menu which you can used to set the wiki-wide default to be the same as your personal settings. -PanSola 23:05, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Found something

Good resource for the page, I think. [^_^]/ 19:43, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Anyway, we've been around without a logo and and that small tab icon. What do you think should be the logo? [^_^]/ 19:57, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. Hardcore Gaming is a great site! I've known about it for a couple of years. If you're interested in game series that are a bit on the obscure side, bookmark it and always check back. I've gotten stuff about MegaTen from there, and also some long-forgotten Capcom stuff for the Capcom Wiki I'm working on. I'd love to know where the guy gets his info. Do you think we could contact him somehow, and tell him what we're trying to do?

As for the logo, no ideas yet. Somebody's bound to come up with something nice sooner or later. We don't want to be hasty. Icysugarspike 22:55, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

If you don't mind me giving it a shot this week--I'm a complete newbie with wikis, by the way, so I'm sorry if I'm budging in--I'd love to help the Megami Tensei wiki in whatever way is available. Akkilmar 23:19, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, let's see what you can do. By the way, I'll make you a user and talk page so I can contact you if needed. icy 00:18, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Would you like me to upload, or mail, what I have somewhere else or here? I made a logo and a favicon, which is a .ico file (the tab image next to the URL), that I don't think are too shabby. I looked around at all of the other wikis too see what was out there last night. Akkilmar 21:25, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I guess you can upload it. The only stipulation is that it is not Shin Megami Tensei, just Megami Tensei. This wikia concentrates on all the games, not just the ones considered Shin Megami Tensei. If you aren't familiar with Japanese, Shin means "new", meaning that this was a new start for an already established series (at least in Japan). icy 01:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

How about this, I'll get a .rar file uploaded here. Inside is the logo, in .jpg and .png form and the favicon.ico all ready to go for you. ^_~ Akkilmar 02:20, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Would you like me to make the monobook logo, like I did for the Quartz? I can get rid of that graininess and the like. Also, I'm back. Between my crazy work schedule and my computer deciding it didn't want to be a computer any more I really missed this place. And since SeventhEvening is an editing super-person I'm not sure where to jump back in at. I could make more navigational templates, like Blue suggested, to put at the bottom of the game pages... ? Akkilmar 20:32, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Editing super person? Nah, I'm just trying to set up some base for everyone to build up on. I had a couple afternoons that I didn't have anything better to do. Feel free to edit any of my articles or add on them if I've missed something. The layout changes a little between some characters, so if you see any inconsistency it would be great if you could fix it. Navigational templates and categories are not my forte, so if you're comfortable with that, it'd be fantastic. I think I screwed up several categories and referenced 6 or 7 that don't exist while trying to get a bunch of Revelations: persona characters up. SeventhEvening 22:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

That Other Wiki

Stumbling upon your wiki, I figured I should tell you about the other Megaten Wiki that has been around since December 2005.Ultimatecalibur 02:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

I am aware of this, thank you. It was probably the reason for this wiki to start, as I was sad to see that it was not being updated. Perhaps, I am wrong. icy 02:34, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't know about you, but with this "Database error. A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software." message that keeps popping up whenever I try to access that place, I'm happy to see our wiki up and running like this. Even if we have "ads", it shouldn't be a major problem to us :D.
Oh, and how's life Icy? BLUER一番 07:50, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Naming conventions

Hey, I ran into a problem... While writing up all the characters for Revelations: Persona, I've encountered a few things. First, the game is listed as Revelations: Persona, which is a minor thing, but the localization of that game was really really terrible, so I would rather refer to the characters using their Japanese names, especially because Atlus made a few references to Persona 1 characters using their Japanese names in the English version ofPersona 3, Nanjou Kei being the best example.

But I think it's a bit late to try to change that article's title to Megami Ibunroku Persona to better reflect this. However, since I've been writing the article to treat the Japanese names as canon, I used Japanese naming conventions. Where my problem comes in is that now I'm starting to work a little on Persona 2, in which Maya Amano is in the English naming convention (really Mayuzumi Yukino is where I'm encountering the clash). So.... should I transfer all the Persona 1 Characters to English naming conventions, or should I change all the Persona 2 characters to Japanese conventions. I'm fine with switching to English naming conventions (family name last), although I want to stick with the original Japanese names on the articles (For example, Inaba Masao would be changed to Masou Inaba but not Mark).

Sorry that's a bit long winded, but I didn't want to make any heavy changes until I got some feedback. Also let me know if you like the way I'm doing the Revelations: Persona page and characters. I'm trying to separate us from Wikipedia or Megaten Wiki so that people would have a reason to come here rather than go there. SeventhEvening 19:29, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, over at Capcom Wiki, there was someone helping who decided to name the characters from Rival Schools with their full Japanese names, and I mean full, such as Inabata Inuwatanabe or whatever. How I always feel (and this is merely an opinion) that the Japanese have their own Wikis, don't they? Our wikis are primarily for English-speaking knowledge seekers. Therefore, I went and shortened the Rival Schools character's name to just Inabata (barring that there was no other character with the same name, to avoid confusion). I realize that this is a headscratcher, but make the best judgment you can. Just keep in mind that this wiki is used as a resource for others (not a personal or biased thing), and that when users wish to look up a character by the name they are known by, they can find them with ease. Good luck, and keep up the great work! You are doing good stuff. icy 21:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Alright, heres what I decided to do. I'm going to use Japanese names with English name order, so it'll be first name then last name. Atlus has stopped using the English names (this English name problem is mostly only for Revelations: Persona), so they're not really canon anymore, but so that people can find who they're looking for, I'll set up redirect pages so that searching for the English name will still get you to the right character. Right now, Mary redirects to Maki Sonomura, and I'll add some others as well. SeventhEvening 17:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

From what I've seen I like what is being done a lot. Makes me want to go back and fix up the character section on the DDS games like I've seen on the Revelations: Persona entry. Akkilmar 20:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. Hitting DDS would be great because it's been a long time since I've played it and I never finished part 2. I'm kinda trying to cover the persona stuff since it's seen a resurgence in popularity thanks to Persona 3. I'm also trying to hit -Trinity Soul- since there is so little information out there on it. SeventhEvening 22:23, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm here... I guess..

Yeah sure. I haven't update much on the Square Wiki. Bluer 14:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Howdy -- We just stumbled across this wiki today and...

We're glad to see a Megaten wiki up and running, and we'd like to know if you're officially cool with being linked to from our sidebar at!

I'll try to remember to check back here for a response, but in the meantime feel free to drop us a line over in our forums: --yksehtniycul 07:11, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Absolutely! Digital Devil Database was always an early supporter of the series, and a wonderful website. We here at Megami Tensei Wiki would be honored to be linked! icy 01:50, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


Hey, Icy. Could you work on a new logo for the site? A transparent one. The one I uploaded...isn't too good. —BLUER一番 02:38, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

I know, it's not transparent, but I kind of like it now. Maybe, I'm used to it. I'll try to come up with something, but things are really busy in my family life lately. I don't even work on Capcom Wiki like I once did. Hope things with you are going well. Good work! icy 02:42, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Ah, RL catching up to you too eh? Same here. —BLUER一番 11:04, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I apologize

I'm sorry, icy, but I tried to keep a cool head over the situation, but I just can't.
It's not that I dislike the Japanese version, and is a North American-centric fanboy. To be truthful, I'm not even American and English is my second language. But I played NTSC versions for years now - because I am not a purist who knows Japanese 100%.
I am also not a fanboy of the series - I am only intrigued but I am not attached to the series to ignore NA titles just to stay 100% close to the source.
But the discussion and the manual of style has made me tired of standing up to fanboys and purists. I'm sorry. I can only maintain this wiki so far. And with your lack of participation in the discussion it dampens my spirits to help maintain the wiki you founded.
I'll just stay in the back seat from now on and "indulge" in the series as much as I can, away from fan-dumb purists. See you when I see you. BLUER一番 04:57, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I am slowly returning to the Square Wiki. That's my final bastion - and there is a nonexistent community I can go to.
I will still add whatever I know of MegaTen since I still adore the series but limited at best. I invested money on buying guides so I can complete the Persona data as well as enemy stats. In fact, I treasure my edits here because they help complete the wiki database.
But when it comes to discussing with purists, I will just say "fuck off, retard." and leave the discussion. I have better things to do than become a highbrow elitist and lick Japan's grimy boots.
And I'm sorry. I know this comes off as crude, but I don't understand you. I believed in something and was willing to discuss these beliefs on petty things, and stood behind these beliefs regardless - even if it meant I was being antagonized. But I didn't know where you stand, and I should've known better.
I wanted help. Sorry, you didn't deliver. BLUER一番 16:53, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Heya. Are you still mad at me for that comment I left to you, because if you are, I'm really sorry. I'm sorry I wasn't thinking right.

Well, since you are the bureaucrat and founder, I was wondering if you're still interested in the goings-on in the wiki. There is an idea being forwarded by a user in the Community Portal, and you might want to read it and comment. And if you want to flame me too, I welcome it; I've been flamed quite a lot so far, I'm charred :) BLUER一番 13:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I could be wrong, but

I think Bluer was referring to this[1] --Yksehtniycul 20:09, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Pandaemonium Akuma Collection Volume 2

From Bluer's talk page...

The original D3 website had a section devoted to the first of these books. I copied it over to the new website database here[2]

It would make sense to have an accompanying page for the 2nd book if you would share your scan catalogue once you've finished up!!--Yksehtniycul 18:14, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

BTW, if this is cool by you. We'd really like images to go on our site to be uncropped (save for white spaces) ...that is including the lettering any extra graphics pertaining to a print. --Yksehtniycul 23:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I'd like to know is why. Any particular reason? I prefer the images alone (without text), plus names are not always completely accurate or spelled correctly. I noticed that the image of Tattoo Man was spelled "Tatoo", for example. I will upload them as you wish, if you prefer. icysugarspike 15:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

How are these coming btw? We recently had a link to an archive of the second volume posted up in the forums, but the quality is really crap. Really not good enough to put on the site. But I gotta say the second volume is way more interesting (to me at least) ...I don't think these have ever been up in the Be Your True Mind galleries?? I guess probably they haven't gotten their hands on the books if so.--Yksehtniycul 18:22, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


Does anyone have the privileges to take away Bluer's admin status? Just to knock him off his high horse. I think that would do him a lot of good. Stuff like this( is common as all hell. The wiki will suffer if something is not done. Anyway, I think I will take a break for a while, and if Bluer goes reordering everything I will probably not come back until some permanent understanding is reached. I could use yours and and SeventhEvening's and others support in case Bluer goes gabbing to the wikia police about blocking from accessing the wiki (which Bluer pretty much did already once)

I don't know what to say other than Bluer is completely oblivious to his own self-centered-ness and just doesn't take a second to consider anything much less compromise. The duplicity in always flagging down wikia staff and taking their completely uninformed opinions as gospel (not even to reach a particular goal but just to gum up the current consensus) is really about as much as my stomach can take.--Yksehtniycul 16:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

So basically what you're saying (if I read between the lines) is you're threatening me, that if I don't revoke his rights, you will not be back. I'm sorry, but all I can say then is enjoy the foot-stamping and thumb-sucking on your "vacation" from the wiki, and thank you for your contributions. Oh, and please no immature vandalism. We will find out it's you, but somehow I doubt you're the type to do that sort of thing. If you come back, I welcome you with open arms, but you're asking me to do something I am not willing to do for the sake of conflicting egos. icysugarspike 17:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
I have a reputation, why would I threaten? Assuming this is Icy speaking, but regardless, it will just be sad when the wiki falls to one participating editor. Which is not guaranteed to happen, but seems to be the theme. I have a vested interest in the wiki via, but I also have a life. Primarily I just wanna be sure can still access the wiki, because Bluer is not always civilized. So I'm asking for support. Not condescending crap. Geez, I'm as diplomatic a dude as they make. Peace --Yksehtniycul 18:19, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
PS: I don't know if it's even possible, but taking away Bluer's rights wouldn't inhibit his actions afaik (maybe it would, but I can't recall any new things I seem able to do as a sysop really) ...but just talking to him doesn't get thru. He is totalitarian. --Yksehtniycul 18:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
It is true. While I don't agree with everything that is and isn't done on this wiki, I still aim to reach some understanding and agreement. Blue is often difficult to reason with and impossible to negotiate with. While Yksehtniycul and I are not always on the same page, I've had no problem talking things through with him and things have always remained cordial. While I hate the idea of striping Blue of his power, I also hate the idea of one singular, uncompromising person crippling an information source built for so many people. Honestly, I've been busy the past week or so and am unaware of Blue contacting any administration, but given how determined Yksehtniycul had seemed to be in avoiding drama and political scandal in the times I've worked with him, I'd say there must be a serious issue here. SeventhEvening 09:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

RE:Megami Tensei Wiki Conflicts

Hi Icysugarspike, I'm sorry about the conflicts on this wiki. Do you want us to remove your Bureaucrat and sysop flag? I just want a final decision from you.-- BlueDevil Talk 22:58, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

For choosing another bureaucrat you can always start a discussion about it and the community can decide the new one that is the most responsible and can take care of this wiki.-- BlueDevil Talk 23:04, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry it has been stressful for you, icy. It's unfortunate that this wiki was deemed to be in "future jeopardy", when truth be told the wiki was growing up just fine in its early years.
It's even sadder to think you've given up bureaucracy.
Do not worry, I will continue this wiki as long as I can. It was fun working with you, I do mean it. BLUER一番 03:44, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
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