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:::Alright, I have honestly not played all the way through the game, but I suspected that the Protagonist awakened due to that handshake, although I had not reached a point where the game strictly said it. I would say the Protagonist likely simply awakened the Wild Card when the attendant shook his hand. The reason Adachi didn't is simply because he was less susceptible to the ability, or it is possible that [[Philemon]] granted Wild Card to both [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]] and [[Protagonist (Persona 4)]], which is what separated previous wild card holder from usual persona users. But as far as I know, nothing specifically says in the game that the protagonist had already faced his shadow form and had a Persona before meeting the Attendant. Unless the game strongly infers or straight up says otherwise, then FlareKnight's theory is speculation and should not be part of the article. Same with my speculation of Philemon being involved. They're just theories.[[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 01:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 
:::Alright, I have honestly not played all the way through the game, but I suspected that the Protagonist awakened due to that handshake, although I had not reached a point where the game strictly said it. I would say the Protagonist likely simply awakened the Wild Card when the attendant shook his hand. The reason Adachi didn't is simply because he was less susceptible to the ability, or it is possible that [[Philemon]] granted Wild Card to both [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]] and [[Protagonist (Persona 4)]], which is what separated previous wild card holder from usual persona users. But as far as I know, nothing specifically says in the game that the protagonist had already faced his shadow form and had a Persona before meeting the Attendant. Unless the game strongly infers or straight up says otherwise, then FlareKnight's theory is speculation and should not be part of the article. Same with my speculation of Philemon being involved. They're just theories.[[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 01:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
   
This if Flareknight on a different computer. I am not saying that the P4 protaganist HAD a persona before he met Inzanami, I am saying that Inzanami basiclly "Overwrote" the Protaganist's real Persona with the same creature she gave Adachi aswell, Inzanagi. She never says "I gave you that power of Persona", she says "I gave your powers a push" in her dungeon, she is actually surprised at the power the Protaganist has, and Rise mentions that it seems she is surprised he went beyond what she assumed, that he would have, like Adachi, a Basic Inzangai Persona, though obviously different then Adachi's Bloody Magatsu Inzanagi, I'm not saying he had A Persona at the start of the game, just that Inzanami might have, accidently, caused the Wild Card Reaction. I'm not saying him seeing Igor means he had Wild Card, I'm noting Igor's Tone. He is dissmissive towards him, and sends him away rather quickly.
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This if Flareknight on a different computer. I am not saying that the P4 protaganist HAD a persona before he met Inzanami, I am saying that Inzanami basiclly "Overwrote" the Protaganist's real Persona with the same creature she gave Adachi aswell, Inzanagi. She never says "I gave you that power of Persona", she says "I gave your powers a push" in her dungeon, she is actually surprised at the power the Protaganist has, and Rise mentions that it seems she is surprised he went beyond what she assumed, that he would have, like Murderer, a Basic Inzangai Persona, though obviously different then Adachi's Bloody Magatsu Inzanagi, I'm not saying he had A Persona at the start of the game, just that Inzanami might have, accidently, caused the Wild Card Reaction. I'm not saying him seeing Igor means he had Wild Card, I'm noting Igor's Tone. He is dissmissive towards him, and sends him away rather quickly.
 
:: I'm pretty sure if that were true, then the developers would have also placed emphasis on Namatame having a perona, which he didn't. I'm pretty sure everyone has a persona, its all learning to unlock it. We never got to see the protagonist face his true self, but one of the main characters did mention that the protagonist had 'nothing to hide' and was 'forward' and so PROBABLY wouldn't need to face his true self (which was probably just gossip). At the beginning of the game where he has his dream, I thought behind all that fog he was facing his true self then, but apparenlty it wasn't. I think the whole subject is irrelevent anyway, it doesn't matter if he had the power or not.
 
:: I'm pretty sure if that were true, then the developers would have also placed emphasis on Namatame having a perona, which he didn't. I'm pretty sure everyone has a persona, its all learning to unlock it. We never got to see the protagonist face his true self, but one of the main characters did mention that the protagonist had 'nothing to hide' and was 'forward' and so PROBABLY wouldn't need to face his true self (which was probably just gossip). At the beginning of the game where he has his dream, I thought behind all that fog he was facing his true self then, but apparenlty it wasn't. I think the whole subject is irrelevent anyway, it doesn't matter if he had the power or not.
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:::I'm not sure who made the comment right above me, since it is unsigned, but Namatame has Izanagi as a persona. Izanami directly states that she gave three people the Izanagi persona, which opened up their ability to enter the Midnight Channel. Those three people were the Protagonist, Namatame, and Murderer. The protagonist and Murderer's Izanagi each look different, because they still reflect each one of their personalities: Magatsu Izanagi matches the Murderer's Magatsu Inaba. Namatame, like the protagonist, never had a world created in the Midnight channel, and likely never even knew he had a Persona. But unlike all the other enemies, Namatame does not have a real shadow form, but rather is swarmed by shadows and transformed. There is a lot of evidence in the game that suggests that he possessed an Izanagi Persona as well. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 04:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
   
 
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I kinda want to point out that the Main Character always had the power of Persona, which is why he saw Igor the first time, but didn't have Wild Card until his Hand shake with Inzanami. The way it is, it seems to say that he had no Persona until he shook Inzanami's Hand, but thats not the whole truth. He didn't have the Wild Card ability until he shook Inzanami's hand (Shown by Igor's lack of care about the Main Character during the first visit, but his nicer attitude during the second), This should be rectifyed somewhat, even though its un clear what his original persona was (Possibly Inzanagi-no-Ookami), but it seemed that he already had a Persona before he met Inzanami, though he would have had to go through the whole Shadow thing, and it appears that Inzangai simply shoved his true Persona aside, thus removing his ability to face his shadow and know his "True" Persona Flare knight 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

I would say that that is mostly speculation with little evidence to support it. The Protagonist appears to have awakened his abilities while in Mayonaka TV in order to save Yousuke. Seeing Igor isn't evidence of having a Persona. He appears to people who are "gifted". In Megami Ibunroku Persona, all playable characters had seen Igor, and it was suggested that some NPC had as well. In Persona 2 there was a man who had seen Igor due to his spiritual strength, although he had no Persona. Additionally, the Protagonist only saw Igor in dreams up until after his awakening in Mayonaka TV. I would say that it is probable that the protagonist gained the ability to use a Persona and the Wild Card at the same time, when he touched the gas station attendant. A character developing Wild Card after awakening is unbelievably rare, Aegis being the only known one. It could even be argued that Aegis had it at her time of Awakening, since she suddenly had Wild Card when she "awakened" the second time as a human. The Persona 3 Protagonist awoke with it, and the same is true about the Boy with the Pierced Ear, Maya Amano, Tatsuya Suou, Baofu, and so on. Furthermore, Izanagi is the protagonist's "True Persona", similar to P3 Protagonist's Orpheus. Similar to how all Persona "Evolve" as the character grows, Izanagi-No-Ookami is The Protagonist's final Persona. That's actually relevant to the that Izanagi is his "true Persona", since it coincides with the legend of Izanami and Izanagi. This legend was also used as a plot device in Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei and Megami Tensei. SeventhEvening 16:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
According to the Moel Gas Attendant aka Izanami, she was the one who gave Adachi, Taro Namatame, and the Protagonist their powers. Strictly saying, in a technical way, if Adachi, like the Protagonist have the potential earlier even before meeting the Attendant, he could very well get Wild Card from the Attendant, same goes to Namatame. But all he has is the Magatsu Izanagi. Also, the Attendant gives all the ones' she awakened Izanagi(s), but it was up to the invoker' personality to portray them (i.e: Protagonist' black coat Izanagi; Adachi's bloody Magatsu Izanagi). -- N/A 06:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Alright, I have honestly not played all the way through the game, but I suspected that the Protagonist awakened due to that handshake, although I had not reached a point where the game strictly said it. I would say the Protagonist likely simply awakened the Wild Card when the attendant shook his hand. The reason Adachi didn't is simply because he was less susceptible to the ability, or it is possible that Philemon granted Wild Card to both Protagonist (Persona 3) and Protagonist (Persona 4), which is what separated previous wild card holder from usual persona users. But as far as I know, nothing specifically says in the game that the protagonist had already faced his shadow form and had a Persona before meeting the Attendant. Unless the game strongly infers or straight up says otherwise, then FlareKnight's theory is speculation and should not be part of the article. Same with my speculation of Philemon being involved. They're just theories.SeventhEvening 01:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

This if Flareknight on a different computer. I am not saying that the P4 protaganist HAD a persona before he met Inzanami, I am saying that Inzanami basiclly "Overwrote" the Protaganist's real Persona with the same creature she gave Adachi aswell, Inzanagi. She never says "I gave you that power of Persona", she says "I gave your powers a push" in her dungeon, she is actually surprised at the power the Protaganist has, and Rise mentions that it seems she is surprised he went beyond what she assumed, that he would have, like Murderer, a Basic Inzangai Persona, though obviously different then Adachi's Bloody Magatsu Inzanagi, I'm not saying he had A Persona at the start of the game, just that Inzanami might have, accidently, caused the Wild Card Reaction. I'm not saying him seeing Igor means he had Wild Card, I'm noting Igor's Tone. He is dissmissive towards him, and sends him away rather quickly.

I'm pretty sure if that were true, then the developers would have also placed emphasis on Namatame having a perona, which he didn't. I'm pretty sure everyone has a persona, its all learning to unlock it. We never got to see the protagonist face his true self, but one of the main characters did mention that the protagonist had 'nothing to hide' and was 'forward' and so PROBABLY wouldn't need to face his true self (which was probably just gossip). At the beginning of the game where he has his dream, I thought behind all that fog he was facing his true self then, but apparenlty it wasn't. I think the whole subject is irrelevent anyway, it doesn't matter if he had the power or not.
I'm not sure who made the comment right above me, since it is unsigned, but Namatame has Izanagi as a persona. Izanami directly states that she gave three people the Izanagi persona, which opened up their ability to enter the Midnight Channel. Those three people were the Protagonist, Namatame, and Murderer. The protagonist and Murderer's Izanagi each look different, because they still reflect each one of their personalities: Magatsu Izanagi matches the Murderer's Magatsu Inaba. Namatame, like the protagonist, never had a world created in the Midnight channel, and likely never even knew he had a Persona. But unlike all the other enemies, Namatame does not have a real shadow form, but rather is swarmed by shadows and transformed. There is a lot of evidence in the game that suggests that he possessed an Izanagi Persona as well. SeventhEvening 04:03, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Endings

Probably not even worth mentioning, but there are two different normal endings. We have the bad ending where the main charatcers kill Namatame thus causing Nanako's death and an unhappy leave. Then the normal ending where adachi and his puppeteer are defeated. And of course the true ending where THE puppeteer is defeated. Another one people miss (I don't remember how to get it myself) is dubbed the 'Neutral' ending, because it is unhappier than the normal ending yet not as upsetting as the bad ending. I don't remember how to achieve it but the ending is the same as the Normal ending only Nanako isn't present, as she is still recovering in the hospital (but not dead unlike in the bad ending)

There are actually 5 endings to the game according to the Perfect Guide. 2 takes place after the events on 3rd Dec, 1 after 5th Dec, and 2 after 20th March. BLUER一番 12:48, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
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