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: I would say that that is mostly speculation with little evidence to support it. The Protagonist appears to have awakened his abilities while in Mayonaka TV in order to save Yousuke. Seeing Igor isn't evidence of having a Persona. He appears to people who are "gifted". In Megami Ibunroku Persona, all playable characters had seen Igor, and it was suggested that some NPC had as well. In Persona 2 there was a man who had seen Igor due to his spiritual strength, although he had no Persona. Additionally, the Protagonist only saw Igor in dreams up until after his awakening in Mayonaka TV. I would say that it is probable that the protagonist gained the ability to use a Persona and the Wild Card at the same time, when he touched the gas station attendant. A character developing Wild Card after awakening is unbelievably rare, Aegis being the only known one. It could even be argued that Aegis had it at her time of Awakening, since she suddenly had Wild Card when she "awakened" the second time as a human. The Persona 3 Protagonist awoke with it, and the same is true about the [[Boy with the Pierced Ear]], [[Maya Amano]], [[Tatsuya Suou]], [[Baofu]], and so on. Furthermore, Izanagi is the protagonist's "True Persona", similar to P3 Protagonist's [[Orpheus]]. Similar to how all Persona "Evolve" as the character grows, Izanagi-No-Ookami is The Protagonist's final Persona. That's actually relevant to the that Izanagi is his "true Persona", since it coincides with the legend of Izanami and Izanagi. This legend was also used as a plot device in [[Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei]] and [[Megami Tensei]]. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 16:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
: I would say that that is mostly speculation with little evidence to support it. The Protagonist appears to have awakened his abilities while in Mayonaka TV in order to save Yousuke. Seeing Igor isn't evidence of having a Persona. He appears to people who are "gifted". In Megami Ibunroku Persona, all playable characters had seen Igor, and it was suggested that some NPC had as well. In Persona 2 there was a man who had seen Igor due to his spiritual strength, although he had no Persona. Additionally, the Protagonist only saw Igor in dreams up until after his awakening in Mayonaka TV. I would say that it is probable that the protagonist gained the ability to use a Persona and the Wild Card at the same time, when he touched the gas station attendant. A character developing Wild Card after awakening is unbelievably rare, Aegis being the only known one. It could even be argued that Aegis had it at her time of Awakening, since she suddenly had Wild Card when she "awakened" the second time as a human. The Persona 3 Protagonist awoke with it, and the same is true about the [[Boy with the Pierced Ear]], [[Maya Amano]], [[Tatsuya Suou]], [[Baofu]], and so on. Furthermore, Izanagi is the protagonist's "True Persona", similar to P3 Protagonist's [[Orpheus]]. Similar to how all Persona "Evolve" as the character grows, Izanagi-No-Ookami is The Protagonist's final Persona. That's actually relevant to the that Izanagi is his "true Persona", since it coincides with the legend of Izanami and Izanagi. This legend was also used as a plot device in [[Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei]] and [[Megami Tensei]]. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 16:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::According to the Moel Gas Attendant aka <font color=black>Izanami</font>, she was the one who gave Adachi, Taro Namatame, and the Protagonist their powers. Strictly saying, in a technical way, if Adachi, like the Protagonist have the potential earlier even before meeting the Attendant, he could very well get Wild Card from the Attendant, same goes to Namatame. But all he has is the Magatsu Izanagi. Also, the Attendant gives all the ones' she awakened Izanagi(s), but it was up to the invoker' personality to portray them (i.e: Protagonist' black coat Izanagi; Adachi's bloody Magatsu Izanagi). -- [[User:NeloAngelo|N/A]] 06:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
::According to the Moel Gas Attendant aka <font color=black>Izanami</font>, she was the one who gave Adachi, Taro Namatame, and the Protagonist their powers. Strictly saying, in a technical way, if Adachi, like the Protagonist have the potential earlier even before meeting the Attendant, he could very well get Wild Card from the Attendant, same goes to Namatame. But all he has is the Magatsu Izanagi. Also, the Attendant gives all the ones' she awakened Izanagi(s), but it was up to the invoker' personality to portray them (i.e: Protagonist' black coat Izanagi; Adachi's bloody Magatsu Izanagi). -- [[User:NeloAngelo|N/A]] 06:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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| − | :::Alright, I have honestly not played all the way through the game, but I suspected that the Protagonist awakened due to that handshake, although I had not reached a point where the game strictly said it. I would say the Protagonist likely simply awakened the Wild Card when the attendant shook his hand. The reason Adachi didn't is simply because he was less susceptible to the ability, or it is possible that [[Philemon]] granted Wild Card to both [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]] and [[Protagonist (Persona 4)]], which is what separated previous wild card holder from usual persona users. But as far as I know, nothing specifically says in the game that the protagonist had already faced his shadow form and had a Persona before meeting the Attendant. Unless the game strongly infers or straight up says otherwise, then FlareKnight's theory is speculation and should not be part of the article. Same with my speculation of Philemon being involved. They're just theories. |
+ | :::Alright, I have honestly not played all the way through the game, but I suspected that the Protagonist awakened due to that handshake, although I had not reached a point where the game strictly said it. I would say the Protagonist likely simply awakened the Wild Card when the attendant shook his hand. The reason Adachi didn't is simply because he was less susceptible to the ability, or it is possible that [[Philemon]] granted Wild Card to both [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]] and [[Protagonist (Persona 4)]], which is what separated previous wild card holder from usual persona users. But as far as I know, nothing specifically says in the game that the protagonist had already faced his shadow form and had a Persona before meeting the Attendant. Unless the game strongly infers or straight up says otherwise, then FlareKnight's theory is speculation and should not be part of the article. Same with my speculation of Philemon being involved. They're just theories.[[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 01:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC) |
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I kinda want to point out that the Main Character always had the power of Persona, which is why he saw Igor the first time, but didn't have Wild Card until his Hand shake with Inzanami. The way it is, it seems to say that he had no Persona until he shook Inzanami's Hand, but thats not the whole truth. He didn't have the Wild Card ability until he shook Inzanami's hand (Shown by Igor's lack of care about the Main Character during the first visit, but his nicer attitude during the second), This should be rectifyed somewhat, even though its un clear what his original persona was (Possibly Inzanagi-no-Ookami), but it seemed that he already had a Persona before he met Inzanami, though he would have had to go through the whole Shadow thing, and it appears that Inzangai simply shoved his true Persona aside, thus removing his ability to face his shadow and know his "True" Persona Flare knight 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
- I would say that that is mostly speculation with little evidence to support it. The Protagonist appears to have awakened his abilities while in Mayonaka TV in order to save Yousuke. Seeing Igor isn't evidence of having a Persona. He appears to people who are "gifted". In Megami Ibunroku Persona, all playable characters had seen Igor, and it was suggested that some NPC had as well. In Persona 2 there was a man who had seen Igor due to his spiritual strength, although he had no Persona. Additionally, the Protagonist only saw Igor in dreams up until after his awakening in Mayonaka TV. I would say that it is probable that the protagonist gained the ability to use a Persona and the Wild Card at the same time, when he touched the gas station attendant. A character developing Wild Card after awakening is unbelievably rare, Aegis being the only known one. It could even be argued that Aegis had it at her time of Awakening, since she suddenly had Wild Card when she "awakened" the second time as a human. The Persona 3 Protagonist awoke with it, and the same is true about the Boy with the Pierced Ear, Maya Amano, Tatsuya Suou, Baofu, and so on. Furthermore, Izanagi is the protagonist's "True Persona", similar to P3 Protagonist's Orpheus. Similar to how all Persona "Evolve" as the character grows, Izanagi-No-Ookami is The Protagonist's final Persona. That's actually relevant to the that Izanagi is his "true Persona", since it coincides with the legend of Izanami and Izanagi. This legend was also used as a plot device in Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei and Megami Tensei. SeventhEvening 16:33, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
- According to the Moel Gas Attendant aka Izanami, she was the one who gave Adachi, Taro Namatame, and the Protagonist their powers. Strictly saying, in a technical way, if Adachi, like the Protagonist have the potential earlier even before meeting the Attendant, he could very well get Wild Card from the Attendant, same goes to Namatame. But all he has is the Magatsu Izanagi. Also, the Attendant gives all the ones' she awakened Izanagi(s), but it was up to the invoker' personality to portray them (i.e: Protagonist' black coat Izanagi; Adachi's bloody Magatsu Izanagi). -- N/A 06:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
- Alright, I have honestly not played all the way through the game, but I suspected that the Protagonist awakened due to that handshake, although I had not reached a point where the game strictly said it. I would say the Protagonist likely simply awakened the Wild Card when the attendant shook his hand. The reason Adachi didn't is simply because he was less susceptible to the ability, or it is possible that Philemon granted Wild Card to both Protagonist (Persona 3) and Protagonist (Persona 4), which is what separated previous wild card holder from usual persona users. But as far as I know, nothing specifically says in the game that the protagonist had already faced his shadow form and had a Persona before meeting the Attendant. Unless the game strongly infers or straight up says otherwise, then FlareKnight's theory is speculation and should not be part of the article. Same with my speculation of Philemon being involved. They're just theories.SeventhEvening 01:15, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
- According to the Moel Gas Attendant aka Izanami, she was the one who gave Adachi, Taro Namatame, and the Protagonist their powers. Strictly saying, in a technical way, if Adachi, like the Protagonist have the potential earlier even before meeting the Attendant, he could very well get Wild Card from the Attendant, same goes to Namatame. But all he has is the Magatsu Izanagi. Also, the Attendant gives all the ones' she awakened Izanagi(s), but it was up to the invoker' personality to portray them (i.e: Protagonist' black coat Izanagi; Adachi's bloody Magatsu Izanagi). -- N/A 06:12, 7 January 2009 (UTC)