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Persona 5: Dancing Star Night Edit

I get the name Moon from Persona 3: Dancing Moon Night makes sense but where does Star from Persona 5: Dancing Star Night come from. The only time that Star was mentioned was With the Stars and Us and even then the ending theme is named Hoshi To Bokura To. --Cococrash11 (talk) 00:48, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

The social stats are also in the shape of a star. —AlexShepherd 00:55, August 3, 2017 (UTC)

Is the protagonist named Ren Amamiya?Edit

It's pretty self-explanatory. I edited the page and put the name "Ren Amamiya" instead of "Protagonist". Is he actually named Ren Amamiya in this game or not?Tokoyami no Nietzsche (talk) 19:58, December 24, 2017 (UTC)

The name "Ren Amamiya" is used in the most recent trailer, this isn't really something you need to be asking for confirmation on.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:01, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
Are these names something the user provides or are they set in stone? And what is the canon status of the dance games? Great Mara (talk) 20:28, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
The first dance game, at least, was canon and set post-P4 (specifically, post Golden's new epilogue). Dancing Star Night and Dancing Moon Night appear to at the very least have story sequences and whatnot, so they are likely canon as well. As for the names, in at least P4D there was no renaming by the player that I know of, and Ren Amamiya (as well as Makoto Yuuki for the P3 in P3D) was provided by the most recent trailer.--Otherarrow (talk) 20:57, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
Actually no. I remember that the game having been confirmed on not having a story mode, however it seems that isn't the case anymore. Now the issue is if the games are canon or not, until they are confirmed as such I recommend that the pages retain the title of protagonist instead of the names used in the trailer. Crok425 (talk) 22:25, December 24, 2017 (UTC)
There are no adventure elements in this game unlike Dancing all night. You just have fun with other characters. So yes there is no story mode.--"This is the end." "Ugh...Really?" 08:55, December 7, 2018 (UTC)

NA actual release Edit

needed a source for both games P5 and P3 for NA release this December Kunoichi101 (talk) 03:09, August 7, 2018 (UTC)

Canonness/Story ModeEdit

These games technically are, at least for the Velvet siblings. Justine/Caroline/Elizibeth bring up the events of P4DAN, stating they were jealous of her guest killing a god by dancing, which is why they summoned their's to dance. They then bet against each other onto whos team wins and that the loser "goes to hell". I'm only partly into it, but everything points to this being canon. In the PQ sense, it also states their memories will be erased, but it's also clear that wont be the case for the twins/liz. the fact they brought up the events of p4DAN and also mention erasing their memories PQ style is pretty obvious tbh. This would then mean canon for Makoto Yuki. So yeah, the game does technically have a minor story. Liz also states the area theyre in allows time bending, and hints about Makotos fate, but then says pretend I didnt say that. since the VR is inbetween time and space, she was able to go back to 2009 to have her dudes dance, at the same time as the 2016 dudes, to compete against each other Marcusbwfc (talk) 06:20, December 5, 2018 (UTC)

Just by having a minor story and references to previous games doesn't mean they are canon. Take the Naoto novel for example, that thing has references the P3 and P4 and yet it isn't canon (at least not now). So no, we won't change their names here unless there's proof, either by word of god or something else, about said canonicity. 190.138.63.226 06:45, December 5, 2018 (UTC)
Those aren't exactly the same case at all. One's an actual game developed with input from the devs and the other is a light novel written by a third party that was later explicitly said to be noncanon. Its one thing to be cautious, especially when we didn't know if it would even have a story mode, but its another to try and pick and choose whats canon based solely on if it was spelt out for us. (in case it wasn't clear, I'm all for treating P3D and P5D as canon).--Otherarrow (talk) 01:28, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
There's also never been a non canon Persona game as far as I'm aware (From 3-5 at least with the current people in charge) and this game, whilst minimal, has a story. Sure they'll all forget it, but then again... PQ did the same thing and it's canon.Marcusbwfc (talk) 03:23, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
None of the Q series were canon.--"This is the end." "Ugh...Really?" 04:56, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
They actually are canon, just that it follows the 'It's just a dream' convention, like the dancing games here. The interactions happened, but they just won't remember it afterward. I can understand the hesitation for not doing earlier with them since they were only in the anime adaption until recently and due to sporadic information. However, with this being the solid case firmly now, you can change it without fear. That, and I doubt anyone here would really want to wait until P5 Arena to finally get the a-okay for a name change that has already been given the Atlus seal of canonicity in a canon game. --(talk)2:23, Dec 6, 2018.
Atlus themsevles confirmed it was. https://www.reddit.com/r/Megaten/comments/28msup/persona_q_shadow_of_the_labyrinths_story_is_canon/ciciavb Marcusbwfc (talk) 06:46, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
Otherarrow, the novel was canon at first and it was being overseen by Hashino... that's why I brought it up in that comment above. Anyway, only the first PQ is canon, we don't know for PQ2. Also, even if all the Persona games up until now were canon doesn't mean that automatically these new Dancing games are and the names can be treated as titles instead of canon games. The names, to be canon, need to be in a game or a story that is within the same continuity of the series. Crok425 (talk) 19:02, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
Atlus would not go out of their way to put in those names of the protagonists, if they themselves did not consider the names to be canon. But they did, they put the names in because that's what they want the protagonists to be called from now on. If they just wanted it to be a 'pick whatever your like situation' like the mainline games they would've just stuck with "Protagonist" but they decided to go with the other names for them which makes it set in stone. They are now canon, it is now an objective fact. The story for the games are canon, like I said, they just follow the Persona Q treatment of 'they aren't going to remember it', things which have been cleared up and have been told to you within the first few minutes of the games. There is zero reason as to why you all are being this hesitant now, when you have both requirements for changing it (Being both games having a canon story and the names being in official Atlus games) have been met. As for the Q2 argument, I will let you off there in that, yes, we don't have a lot of information on it. But I highly doubt Atlus would somehow publish a game with an established reasoning as to why it happened yet no one talks about it in-universe...but somehow would refuse to do it for the next and say it's non-canon. (talk)3:18, Dec 6, 2018.
And this sort of toxicness is why I stopped following the pages for Persona 3's Male Protagonist and Persona 5's Protagonist: because the arguments about the names are only going to get worse with Every. Single. Bloody. Passing. Day. I'm still following the Persona 3 Female Protagonst's page because her role is non-canon since the male one is mentioned in Persona 4 Arena by characters although they deliberately go out of their way to avoid speaking his name. If push comes to shove though, I woulnd't mind renaming her page Kotone Shiomi since that's the closest thing she has to a canonical name. --DokutaFutomimi (talk) 20:29, December 6, 2018 (UTC)
I can understand why you feel that way, this is quite a heavy debate on this debate has been going on before P5 after all. It's why I'm only now putting my two cents into this recently, due to them being into official Atlus games. Trust me, I really just to put this to rest and get rid of the Protagonist' labels for good....until the next game comes out.(talk)3:47, Dec 6, 2018.
Where are you getting that P3D and P5D are canon? 190.230.110.185 06:28, December 7, 2018 (UTC)