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::::::PS: A cell phone game would need it's own page. As does a PSP remake. Any remake, even if it looks like more of a "long-distance" port, should have it's own page. Wikipedia covers everything, for a topic oriented wiki, organization is more important than fatty pages. And the only reason that Devil Children page is like that, is because no one has broken it up, and it is not considered important enough to police. In a Megaten wiki, everything is important, especially the defining topic!! --[[User:Yksehtniycul|Yksehtniycul]] 22:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 
::::::PS: A cell phone game would need it's own page. As does a PSP remake. Any remake, even if it looks like more of a "long-distance" port, should have it's own page. Wikipedia covers everything, for a topic oriented wiki, organization is more important than fatty pages. And the only reason that Devil Children page is like that, is because no one has broken it up, and it is not considered important enough to police. In a Megaten wiki, everything is important, especially the defining topic!! --[[User:Yksehtniycul|Yksehtniycul]] 22:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::Well, I'm fine with that. We'll make an anime page then. I do think the PSP game should have a page, but I still disagree with the cellphone game. It would be a page that would either be copied and pasted from the Famicom page, or it would be a page saying nothing but ''A cell phone adaption of [[Megami Tensei]] on NTT DoCoMo (or whatever network) released on 20XX''. There is literally nothing else to say. I think it would be more informative and helpful to simply say there is a mobile phone port on the game's main page. There is probably a larger difference between the PC-77 and MSX versions of Megami Tensei then there are between Megami Tensei Famicom and Cellphone versions. Going with "Wikipedia way" again, we have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_of_phantasia this example]. And yes, there is a page for the PS1 remake, but it is about to be re-merged with the article. Further we have [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_IV this one]. Honestly, the way wikipedia's guidelines seem to go, the only reason the Persona PSP game got it's own page was because the other MIP page focuses on Revelations, while the PSP version is not mangled. Well, at least, not in the translation sense. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 23:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

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Characters

Set and Lucifer do not appear in the first Megami Tensei novel, but they do in the first game. Set has one line in the epilogue, in which he just reveals he's going to be around in the next book. Which isn't enough to put him on this page, I think. SeventhEvening 06:12, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Makai

"Makai" is not a word used in the novels. The demon/human planes are called something like Aziluth/Asiya which are real terms with origins in "Kabbalah". I don't have time to track down the correct spelling atm...

Google in it's infinite wisdom found the spelling when paired together (Atziluth Asiya) --Yksehtniycul 14:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I just added a mention of the anime of the same name to this page, but someone who knows what they're doing should probably add a disambiguation alert at the top of the page, and possibly take the mention out of the article. Also the game should be at Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei(Namcot Video Game) and also added to the disambiguation page, along with the two other games of the same title.

Alright, a couple things:
Is a page devoted to the anime necessary? I've seen it and read a translation of the book. The anime was basically a watered down version of the book. It was also pretty crappy and didn't really contribute much to the whole thing. I think we'd be perfectly fine just adding in a section about the anime adaption to this page, but that's just IMHO.
Next, what two other games? I know there is a mobile phone port of Megami Tensei, but I'm not sure what other other title you're talking about is. I know the mobile phone port really doesn't need it's own page. I could see reason to move to a Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei (Game), or making a Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei (Novel) something along those lines, but lets get everything hammered out first.
After we get everything worked out, I'm fine with creating a disambiguation page, but I don't want to jump the gun without having my facts straight. SeventhEvening 20:44, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Are you ****ing kidding???
That anime happens to be my all time favorite contribution of Megaten to human existence?! Megaten at it's finest as far as I'm concerned. Take the splendor of that anime and combine it with Megami Tensei II and the universe would probably implode... but WTF??? Of course EVERYTHING Megaten deserves absolutely must have a page in a Megaten wiki. Much less an essential part of Megaten heritage, way back when Megaten was cool!!
PS: Don't look at me... I'm not making a disambiguation page. Just complaining is all. But yes, this is the way it should be. --Yksehtniycul 21:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Btw, the cell phone remake should have it's own page in a perfect world. And the original game is documented here[1]
Excluding the cell phone game, there might only be the one other, but I can't shake memories of there being two others, or even three. There are also two different versions of the gauntlet style game which play/look considerably differently, but are essentially the same formula, just taking advantage of the available hardware. --Yksehtniycul 21:03, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I can't tell if that was sarcastic or not.... I mean, the book was trashy and violent, but it was charming at the same time. The anime just kinda seemed....not charming? Or something. But to each his own. Anyway, I feel if not enough has changed from a port or adaption like that to warrant a ton of pages. I'd rather have a very detailed page that covers the anime and the novel, then two pages that each contain hardly any information. I mean, with the cell phone game getting it's own page, wouldn't we also need a Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei (MSX) and a Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei (FM-77) and a Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei (PC-88)? Each one would be a contain about a paragraph. I'd rather see a Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei (Telenet) with several paragraphs and a detailed comparison between versions. But you're right, the Namcot game needs a separate page, I just wasn't aware of this Telenet version. I vote we create an anime page after we have enough information on this page to warrant a separation. Although this is a bit debatable. I thought we should wait a bit before making a page about Persona on PSP, but Bluer thought we should go ahead. I'm not sure if he did it or not. But then he merged my Maken X and Maken Shao pages together and rewrote the text to play the games down. Orz...my turn to complain :). SeventhEvening 21:25, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Personally I'd be one to vote to axe any X (Maken) pages on technical grounds. The PC-88 and FM-77 and MSX should all be on the same page. The problem with mixing cross media is it becomes confusing what is what. I've never seen a wikipedia set of pages that does this, even if one page is only a sentence. And I think a wiki such as this, should follow wikipedia's lead, because it is so standardized, that people know how it works, and expect the same. Unless your wiki is a radical departure from the wikipedia format, I'd say do things wikipedia way whenever possible (I know slightly offtopic / pertinent to another discussion page)
As for the anime, I'm an accomplished artist, and a connoisseur of anime (well classic pre-90s stuff mostly, everything post '95 tends to make me angry) and I gotta say, the anime is in my top five of all time, and not at all because it's Megaten. It's really brilliant in artistic terms, but then people think the anime that followed it is so much better (when it's technically total rubbish) --Yksehtniycul 21:50, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
I think it should stay simply because even though it's not technically a Megaten game, it's frequently listed on most Megaten series website I've visited and frequently gets mentioned by fans. Not to mention...where else do you go for information on Maken? But that is neither here nor there.
Well, following the logic of the PC-88/FM-77/MSX all being one page, then the mobile version shouldn't get it's own page either. I can see your point with the anime, although I wouldn't say everyone has exactly the same expectations of wikipedia, especially on something like this. In fact, I was thinking that keeping the Anime on the same page because of a lack of information was the wikipedia way of doing things. After all there is some evidence to the contrary. I'd say there's no hard and fast rules, even for the "wikipedia way", especially since their rules constantly evolve, as do ours.
And I see what you mean, it was very good from a technically standing point. I'm a writer (I won't say accomplished) so I was looking at it from a story telling point of view. I thought the book was better in plot progression and it possessed a certain charm in it's lack of technical prowess. Aya Nishitani certainly wasn't exactly Murakami or Shakespeare, but that kinda improved it's brutal charm. It was essentially a horror rape fantasy that had a pinch of mythology. Ironic that the videogames based on it eventually became deep and philosophical. SeventhEvening 22:17, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
People trash the anime on all sorts of grounds, but it's because a) they don't really understand/appreciate art. And b) they don't take it for what it is. It does a great job with the material given it's running time. Traditional animation is so expensive to produce, it's amazing it ever gets done. The direction is amazing, though I couldn't authoritatively say it was completely intentional. Sometime brilliant art is more a product of the era than the people involved. A lot of great French art is half handedly called trash, mostly by puritans that don't get it. My stomach just goes into knots when I think about what Megaten could've been like if it had continued down such a course, and not fallen into the lap of Atlus (or what it became) ...I'd love to see a mature, unapologetic, and lovingly hand crafted version of Megaten some day. But it would probably take either Atlus going under, or an unlicensed "fan" game to ever happen. The anime is just beautiful, and it's symmetry is perfect however compressed it might be. As a hard boiled minimalist I can't help but adore it. --Yksehtniycul 22:32, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
PS: A cell phone game would need it's own page. As does a PSP remake. Any remake, even if it looks like more of a "long-distance" port, should have it's own page. Wikipedia covers everything, for a topic oriented wiki, organization is more important than fatty pages. And the only reason that Devil Children page is like that, is because no one has broken it up, and it is not considered important enough to police. In a Megaten wiki, everything is important, especially the defining topic!! --Yksehtniycul 22:35, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
Well, I'm fine with that. We'll make an anime page then. I do think the PSP game should have a page, but I still disagree with the cellphone game. It would be a page that would either be copied and pasted from the Famicom page, or it would be a page saying nothing but A cell phone adaption of Megami Tensei on NTT DoCoMo (or whatever network) released on 20XX. There is literally nothing else to say. I think it would be more informative and helpful to simply say there is a mobile phone port on the game's main page. There is probably a larger difference between the PC-77 and MSX versions of Megami Tensei then there are between Megami Tensei Famicom and Cellphone versions. Going with "Wikipedia way" again, we have this example. And yes, there is a page for the PS1 remake, but it is about to be re-merged with the article. Further we have this one. Honestly, the way wikipedia's guidelines seem to go, the only reason the Persona PSP game got it's own page was because the other MIP page focuses on Revelations, while the PSP version is not mangled. Well, at least, not in the translation sense. SeventhEvening 23:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
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