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:The reason he is not Protagonist (Megami Ibunroku Persona) is because we already have [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]], [[Protagonist (Persona 4)]], [[Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei)]], [[Protagonist (Devil Summoner)]], [[Protagonist (Devil Survivor)]], [[Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei)]], etc. I think any time at all that a character has a name they are referred to in canon materials, they should go by that name simply because it's easy and better looking then having 10,000 "Protagonist (game)" pages. Hence why we have [[Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV]] and [[Hito-Shura]] rather than Protagonist (Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha) and Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne). I think knowing that the shujinko from [[Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne]] is called Hito-Shura, or knowing about the "shounen wizu za piasudo iyaa" and referring to them as such adds legitimacy and makes us seem more on the ball than if all protagonists are just "protagonist (X)". The reason I'm not for changing [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]] to Minato Arisato is because the manga isn't canon. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 16:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 
:The reason he is not Protagonist (Megami Ibunroku Persona) is because we already have [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]], [[Protagonist (Persona 4)]], [[Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei)]], [[Protagonist (Devil Summoner)]], [[Protagonist (Devil Survivor)]], [[Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei)]], etc. I think any time at all that a character has a name they are referred to in canon materials, they should go by that name simply because it's easy and better looking then having 10,000 "Protagonist (game)" pages. Hence why we have [[Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV]] and [[Hito-Shura]] rather than Protagonist (Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha) and Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne). I think knowing that the shujinko from [[Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne]] is called Hito-Shura, or knowing about the "shounen wizu za piasudo iyaa" and referring to them as such adds legitimacy and makes us seem more on the ball than if all protagonists are just "protagonist (X)". The reason I'm not for changing [[Protagonist (Persona 3)]] to Minato Arisato is because the manga isn't canon. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 16:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 
::True, and I don't at all question that P3's MC should be named Minato Arisato. But as seen in the official website for the PSP version, he is referred to as the "shujinko". I believe it's safe to use "protagonist" for him. It's unlikely that we'll have 10,000 protagonist pages - plus it's unlikely that he's called "Boy with the Pierced Ear" and such. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 05:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 
::True, and I don't at all question that P3's MC should be named Minato Arisato. But as seen in the official website for the PSP version, he is referred to as the "shujinko". I believe it's safe to use "protagonist" for him. It's unlikely that we'll have 10,000 protagonist pages - plus it's unlikely that he's called "Boy with the Pierced Ear" and such. '''<font face="Trebuchet MS"><span style="background:#3300CC">[[User:Bluerfn|<span style="color:white"><sup>BLUER</sup></span>]]</span>[[User talk:Bluerfn|<span style="color:#CC0011">一番</span>]]</font>''' 05:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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:::Well, I didn't literally mean 10,000; that was hyperbole. Anyway, Atlus also removed the words "Megami Ibunroku" from the title of the game for the PSP release, and then illogically attached it to the front of Devil Survivor. And Atlus US has called [[Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon]] Devil Summoner 2, even though it's really Devil Summoner 4. So you've got to be careful about the Atlus's websites. I know that even when the game was first released he was called "shujinko" in some materials, but so was "Hito-Shura". I had thought I had a scan from some strategy guide that listed him as "Boy with the pierced ear", but now I can't find it. However on the following sites he is referred to as "boy with pierced ear" :
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:http://tripatlas.com/Characters%20of%20Revelations:%20Persona
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:http://dukeofdorks.blogspot.com/2009/04/megami-ibunroku-persona.html
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:http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ShinMegamiTensei?from=Characters.Persona
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:http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/megaten/persona1.htm
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:::But there is not a wealth of information on the topic out there. Revelations: Persona was an obscure game, and the translation was bad enough that most people were immediately turned off by it. It doesn't have as loyal of a following and as much information available as [[Innocent Sin]], mostly because it wasn't as good. When it comes down to it, I can't really back up calling him "Boy with the Pierced Ear" other than it breaks the monotony of having so many pages called "Protagonist". The only other argument is why change it? It's really been fine so far, and all of the Megami Ibunroku Persona pages refer to him by this name, because they were all typed by me around the same time we decided to call him this. I also don't really foresee a massive positive response to the remake of the game that would draw people to this page. P3 and P4 drew in tons of new fans to the SMT series, but Persona plays nothing like those two games, and will probably cause a large number of people to be disappointed. I hope that doesn't happen, but I'd say it's fairly likely. Anyway, sorry for the huge, huge wall of text. When it comes down to it, real life has gotten kinda busy for me, so I'm not updating as often as I used to. You're on here more than me and if you really want to change it, I'll respect that. In my opinion, it's just unnecessary. [[User:SeventhEvening|SeventhEvening]] 07:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

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Following... er... "convention", I believe this article should be moved to "Protagonist (Persona)". I understand that he was called the "shounen wizu za piasudo iyaa" or somesuch in Japan, but I think with the boy referred to as "shujinko"/MC we can follow what we've done for the other Persona MCs, true? BLUER一番 08:30, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The reason he is not Protagonist (Megami Ibunroku Persona) is because we already have Protagonist (Persona 3), Protagonist (Persona 4), Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei), Protagonist (Devil Summoner), Protagonist (Devil Survivor), Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei), etc. I think any time at all that a character has a name they are referred to in canon materials, they should go by that name simply because it's easy and better looking then having 10,000 "Protagonist (game)" pages. Hence why we have Raidou Kuzunoha the XIV and Hito-Shura rather than Protagonist (Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha) and Protagonist (Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne). I think knowing that the shujinko from Shin Megami Tensei III: Nocturne is called Hito-Shura, or knowing about the "shounen wizu za piasudo iyaa" and referring to them as such adds legitimacy and makes us seem more on the ball than if all protagonists are just "protagonist (X)". The reason I'm not for changing Protagonist (Persona 3) to Minato Arisato is because the manga isn't canon. SeventhEvening 16:51, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
True, and I don't at all question that P3's MC should be named Minato Arisato. But as seen in the official website for the PSP version, he is referred to as the "shujinko". I believe it's safe to use "protagonist" for him. It's unlikely that we'll have 10,000 protagonist pages - plus it's unlikely that he's called "Boy with the Pierced Ear" and such. BLUER一番 05:33, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
Well, I didn't literally mean 10,000; that was hyperbole. Anyway, Atlus also removed the words "Megami Ibunroku" from the title of the game for the PSP release, and then illogically attached it to the front of Devil Survivor. And Atlus US has called Devil Summoner: Raidou Kuzunoha vs. King Abaddon Devil Summoner 2, even though it's really Devil Summoner 4. So you've got to be careful about the Atlus's websites. I know that even when the game was first released he was called "shujinko" in some materials, but so was "Hito-Shura". I had thought I had a scan from some strategy guide that listed him as "Boy with the pierced ear", but now I can't find it. However on the following sites he is referred to as "boy with pierced ear" :
http://tripatlas.com/Characters%20of%20Revelations:%20Persona
http://dukeofdorks.blogspot.com/2009/04/megami-ibunroku-persona.html
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/ShinMegamiTensei?from=Characters.Persona
http://hg101.classicgaming.gamespy.com/megaten/persona1.htm
But there is not a wealth of information on the topic out there. Revelations: Persona was an obscure game, and the translation was bad enough that most people were immediately turned off by it. It doesn't have as loyal of a following and as much information available as Innocent Sin, mostly because it wasn't as good. When it comes down to it, I can't really back up calling him "Boy with the Pierced Ear" other than it breaks the monotony of having so many pages called "Protagonist". The only other argument is why change it? It's really been fine so far, and all of the Megami Ibunroku Persona pages refer to him by this name, because they were all typed by me around the same time we decided to call him this. I also don't really foresee a massive positive response to the remake of the game that would draw people to this page. P3 and P4 drew in tons of new fans to the SMT series, but Persona plays nothing like those two games, and will probably cause a large number of people to be disappointed. I hope that doesn't happen, but I'd say it's fairly likely. Anyway, sorry for the huge, huge wall of text. When it comes down to it, real life has gotten kinda busy for me, so I'm not updating as often as I used to. You're on here more than me and if you really want to change it, I'll respect that. In my opinion, it's just unnecessary. SeventhEvening 07:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
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