Was it simply because of a nipple being shown? I read some previous threads on previous SMT entries that were removed, and it seems that there is a double standard going on. How come some images are deemed as having "Artistic Value" and others are not? How come a paid professional who literally makes ART for a living, doesn't make artwork with "Artistic Value" but some guy who won some award for Star Wars art gets to have his images be recognized as having "Artistic Value?"
This website is a Turd, you are a Turd, and your bosses deciding what has "Artistic Value" and what doesn't are Turds.
Again I must ask why these images are being deleted, when they are no more graphic than the main image of the breasts page of Wookiepedia featuring a nude Aayla Secura with her breasts exposed. If 2D game sprites are somehow in violation, I would ask that policies be applied uniformly and consistently across Fandom.
Especially considering that you yourself stated that images of Mara were fine in a previous conversation with Otherarrow if I remember correctly.
Also, the images are in use in the article to portray the subject in question as neutral as possible - when you delete the image you remove content from the article, and that's a no-no here.
Note also this wiki is made for the subject of the Megami Tensei series ofgames, known for its Mature target audience. And as I recall, use of Wikia means users are deemed to be above the age of 13 or older.
I absolutely agree. If you are going to remove officially published artwork from an artbook by one of the founding members of this game's studio and the largest artistic contributor to this franchise by far, then I'd appreciate it if you would apply your rules consistently to other franchise Wikias.
I find it especially concerning that a piece of hyper-sexualized fanart is elevated to the point of being too "artistic" to be considered applicable to the ToU, while pieces of officially published, non-sexualized artwork from the major designer of our game franchise is not.
Please stop playing favorites and apply the rules consistently if you're going to apply them at all.
The images you are deleting are no less artistic than the image of Secura on Wookieepedia. The breasts are simply there, they are not being handled or displayed in a lewd manner and more than the image of Aayla Secura is.
No, that's not it, Inpursuit. It's just that it's probably hard to enforce rules on the Star Wars wiki, because there are a lot of Star Wars nerds who might get mad if they did that. If the Star Wars wiki left them, Wikia would lose an amount of traffic, because Star Wars is stupidly popular so a lot of people are probably reading and editing there all the time. On the other hand it doesn't really affect their profits what, say, MegaTen does.
On the Star Wars image, all I can say is that we evaluated the image in light of the context on the wiki and the image’s artistic merit and elected to keep it up. Similarly, I got a second opinion on whether we could allow your images, and was told "no". I'm sorry, I can't change that
In short, we can’t display all content related to Megaten on a Megaten wiki and should probably look into more hosting options. Because frankly, that answer is flat out bullshit. The images are the same in content but one is allowed and one isn’t?
That decision is pretty bullshit. Let's see, first you said that you guys evaluate the images from the Star Wars wiki regarding the context of said wiki and the artistic merit... and you decided to keep it as is... so by that logic that should be the case in the same way with this wiki, the context of this wiki and its articles when it comes to demons is about mythological creatures from religion or lore from around the world so some gods and goddesses showing nudity or any form of genitalia makes sense due to the context of the lore of said demon, not to mention the art of some demons are directly taken from depictions of said gods and goddesses (like Arahabaki, Shiva, Girimehkala, etc.) either from stone carvings or statues... so the artistic merit, and more importantly historical-visual accuracy, is there and you guys either just opt to ignore it or don't do research on these stuff (which is part of your job) because censoring is easier.
So yeah, you should probably reconsider this whole thing.
And looking at the thread where it was argued, all I see are the same arguments we brought up and yet, because the Star Wars community is a more lucrative one, we're the Wikia that is forced to censor non-sexualized canonical images (look at Kugutsu where the figure is in a neutral position and the focal point of the image is not in the nudity) and they're allowed to keep up a piece of fanart that features a nipple as the focal point of the piece, drawn in a hyper-sexualized fashion (character is splayed prone, legs partially spread to indicate desire).
I could care less about the Giten sprites. It would be nice to not have them censored, sure, but whatever. I do care that the artist that is credited on nearly every single game in this franchise is having his designs censored because of the presence of a single body part, one that is not treated sexually in his designs, because they're monster designs that clearly delineate that these are unnatural beings.
This is a game franchise with over one hundred game titles within the bounds of its canon. That's not even counting the novels, comics, animations, live-action television series, and stage musicals its inspired. The fact that the seminal artist that has defined the artistic direction of this franchise cannot have his work displayed here is a joke.
Sannse, as you can see, we here at the MegaTen wiki are not convinced with the arguments that decided to retain the image of Aayla, and do away with our image. Perhaps your boss should also look into that image of Aayla and see if that "artistic merit" argument still holds water three years later.
Zettaizetsubou argued it well: the subjects are hardly human. The artist, as I quoted on his page here in the wiki, expressed surprise that his design for monsters are considered inappropriate when it's not even humans that were portrayed in the first place.
I know it's not up to you at all, so anything we say here is pointless, but I would be remiss not to point out how incredibly classy it is to decide the Sexy Lady from Popular American Space Movie is appropriate but mythological designs from a diverse range of cultures from around the world aren't (Kaneko's demon designs are intended to accurately represent the cultures they draw from, with many being direct copies of older artwork).
The whole dilemma here is about censoring our images for practically no good reason. Since you said that the Star Wars images are allowed due to the content (or context) of the wiki and the artistic merit then I don't see any reason as to why our wiki isn't allowed because for one, as we already said before, the MegaTen creatures are dieties or demons whose appearances match their mythology perfectly in some cases (and some other cases is Kaneko's design in weird fashion senses like the Moirae Sisters) with most demons being outright copied from statues, paintings, carvings, etc. (as 1337doom has pointed out with that tumblr link)... so artistic merit exists there more than in the Star Wars wiki. I may sound immature saying this but it's honestly not fair how we are the ones that need the censoring when we meet the requirements of both context/content and artistic merit.
So, instead of outright shutting the entire conversation by saying "Censor the images or they will be deleted" it would be best to give an actual explanation either from you or your boss as to why here is right to censor but on other certain wikis isn't because I doubt the users here will be satisfied with what you told us.
I'm sorry, I understand that this isn't the answer you hoped for, but the images can't stay in their current form
That is a load of nonsense and your boss... I have nothing nice to say about her, and that's the only thing I will say because if I were to say those unkind things about your boss here I would get myself either warned or banned.