Forum:Good Luck Icy

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First and foremost, I would like to inform everyone that our founder Icysugarspike has stepped down as bureaucrat for this Wiki. I have worked very close with icy and has been with him since the inception of the Megami Tensei Wiki. It is unfortunate, but I would like to wish Icy the best of luck in all his future endeavors, and I hope he'll feel much better working in his other wikis.

Last but not least, I would like to again thank Icy for all that he has done for the Wiki. We owe it to him for founding a space to share our MegaTen knowledge. Icy, you are still welcomed in the Wiki. ^BLUER一番 08:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Nominations for Bureaucrat

User:Bluerfn

Next, in the absence of a bureaucrat to oversee the wiki's development, I would like to nominate myself as Icy's replacement. I promise to uphold his designs for the Wiki, which is an English language Megami Tensei Wiki for all English speakers, providing both Japanese and English content as developed by Atlus Japan and localized by Atlus USA. I have also worked diligently and neutrally, avoiding any bias as much as possible. I also worked to develop the Wiki as close as possible to Wikia's policies and guidelines, as well as engaging the active content-contributing community in discussions, although these are not without strife.

For comparisons please see my contributions list or my edit count. ^BLUER一番 08:25, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

User:SeventhEvening

I nominate User:SeventhEvening. I hate for the argument to be purely in contrast, but 7th knows Megaten more holistically, seems to be transparent, seems not to care overly much, is dispassionate and can be talked to, and only appears to work on the megamitensei wiki. Whereas Bluer, you just know you're being duplicitous^ ...I respect wanting to have a squeaky clean discussion, but don't kick it off with stuff that everyone knows to be BS. I got nothing personal against Bluer period, but there is just a negative tension there, that should not be fed, and could very well spell doom for the wiki if not checked.

I pre-refuse any nomination due to conflict of interest. I would also like to see bureaucratic powers enumerated, because if it just means the ability to ban people and such, let the wikia administration handle any spammers. There is no need to ban people. Or promote them to sysop. And furthermore how does a community pass bureaucratic powers along in the absence of a prior user holding the position? I'm assuming it's just up to wikia staff to review stuff like this page?--Yksehtniycul 02:56, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

PS: I suggest Bluer step down from his own nomination if he want's to demonstrate any measure of solidarity whatsoever. --Yksehtniycul 03:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I accept this nomination. I do love Megami Tensei, but I don't see any reason to get this worked up over everything. I created an account with Wikia simply to edit and improve this wiki, and I've stuck with this goal for as long as I've been an editor, and will continue to do so, if I can. SeventhEvening 05:57, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, apparently you are already a sysop, so we have a obvious way to choose a Bureaucrat by three way vote. Your privileges weren't taken away were they?

Three is a quorum, so there should never be an argument that a vote can't solve. Is that not what Icy meant by making me the 3rd administrator in the first place? --Yksehtniycul 07:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Comments

See the actual conversation(User_talk:Icysugarspike#Bluer)

Is there any reason a wiki must have a Bureaucrat in the first place?

Unfortunately, Ycul is more engaged in downgrading users than actually maintaining the wiki in his short tenure, thus why he started the convo in the first place. It's really unfortunate, because our first impression was that Ycul would be a helpful addition, and we had good faith on him. Turns out, it was a mistake.

As far as blocks and bans are concerned, the farthest I went was blocking a user for vandalism. I've never engaged in abuse, as the block log can attest, so Seventh's accusation is without basis. ^BLUER一番 03:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

And what users would that be, and who is we for that matter? My only interest is clearly a functional wiki community... and therefore a healthy flourishing wiki. In fact I could so care less about anything else. --Yksehtniycul 03:06, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

My interests is for the wiki to not only have a functional wiki community, but also a functional wiki community that provides content for all our readers, especially for those who are only starting to be introduced to the series, placing aside their disregard for localization. There is no development to be had if the functional wiki community is only interested in arguing why Japan is superior, and I aim to encourage more content writing than arguments.

And I also believe my experience with working on Wikis and cooperation with Wikia will be most helpful. ^BLUER一番 03:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Japan is not superior... in fact there are as many stupid mistakes in the original games as in Atlus of America games. That said the Japanese games tend to come first, and this is a "Megami Tensei" wiki, not the Atlus of America wiki, or the Bluer wiki. Furthermore the games are squarely set in Tokyo mirroring the entire city. Are loaded with real Japanese terms with no dictionary English equivalents. Also corresponds to mythology, history, and popular culture 100% of the time in a 1:1 way. So in order of priorities it should be, Reality > Japanese > English > Atlus of America > Bluer (for 100% of the games and merchandise produced so far)

PS: Of course, none of that matters if people can't leave their ego at the door. --Yksehtniycul 00:04, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with this. Japan isn't superior, but we are dealing with a very Japanese series. To disregard contridictions that appear in Atlus USA's localization just seems sloppy to me. If we were talking about Dante's Inferno, I'd say the original Italian manuscript should have the highest priority, because that's how it was written. Additionally, the book is steeped in Italian politics and the culture of the time. Then, localized versions of the book should be next in line in terms of priority. I don't think that that is an unreasonable stance to take. SeventhEvening 06:14, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

^I'm not really much of an editor. I'm more of a coacher. Good workers are not always good leaders. I think my content edits bring more quality than quantity to the wiki. Not saying either is more important, but my edits (though often multi-edits) are more valuable/thoughtful than typical edits. As for micromanaging the wiki, that isn't necessary. As long as the community is functional it will reach a natural equilibrium. The whole point of wikis is to be neutral. That is ego laden editing will naturally be wiped out over time. And that is how it should be. As for organization principals, there is only one. Document reality from the perspective of reality. The current organization of this wiki is way too "in-universe" as is. --Yksehtniycul 08:20, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

In-universe is good. A wikia wiki is not Wikipedia, nor is it Yksehtniycul Wiki for that matter ^^. It's a collaboration of people who share the same passion, the same goals. Documenting reality is Wikipedia's business - and I do wonder if you do edit Wikipedia, Ycul.

Although, consistency is very nice and goes a long way. And that I encourage for that professional feel in a Wiki akin to a fansite. So yeah, Megami Tensei > Reality > Yksehtniycul for that matter too.

You did mention you'd want to found and control a Wiki outside of Wikia and its guidelines. I suppose that would be wise to lessen all the "hate". I'll contact Wikia and see how they can help. ^BLUER一番 09:16, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

In-universe is never good except in fanfiction. I'm totally losing interest in this wiki day by day, sorry.--Yksehtniycul 23:25, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Btw, don't get me involved with wikia anymore than you already have!! I've downloaded a backup of the wiki and am waiting for a file backup when the work week starts. That said, the backup process is extremely primitive, so I'd prefer it remain just that, a backup. Why would you encourage a competitive wiki? It just seems like whenever there are two sides, you always take the more ignoble one and without missing a beat. I don't want to criticize anyone, but it's impossible when you're always playing the arch villain act to a tee. It's seriously not helping. --Yksehtniycul 07:17, 3 August 2009 (UTC)