I mean he IS the master of igor so is there like a cameo an easter egg reference or something?
I think he’s just staying low while still being there because either he wasn’t there to stop yaldaboth or yaldaboth overpowered Philemon which i quess is possible
I think that's because there hasn't been any big menace like Nyarly, Yaldabaoth isn't that strong, if I would rank Yaldabaoth, Nyarlathotep, Pandora, Izanami and Nyx it would be like: Nyarlathotep > Nyx > Yaldabaoth > Pandora > Izanami.
He is the blue butterfly from P3 onward, but other than that, he hasn't made a full reappearance since Eternal Punishment. Same goes for original velvet room residents, Nameless, Belladonna and the Demon Painter.
It is said in an interview about P3 and P4 that he’s the blue butterfly 🦋. We’re not sure if the one in P5 is Philemon since it could be Lavenza too
You're on a site that contains unmarked spoilers for the series in general, so as a courtesy I'll warn you that I'm going to attempt to cover the topic of the Original Persona/Modern Persona split, and in doing so I will be spoiling some things from P2 (and perhaps other games).
With that disclaimer out of the way, let me try to explain what happened between the end-stages of Persona 2 and the start of Persona 3 that accounts for the lack of Philemon (and can also be used to conveniently account for mechanical changes and the like). One thing to understand in P1/the P2 duology is that you can largely view the actions of the persona users as being influenced by Philemon, and likewise you can view the actions of the antagonists as being part of the plans of Nyarlathotep. There are of course exceptions to this, as Nyarlathotep is heavily implied to essentially be playing a big game of 4D chess (so to speak) with Philemon and often sets up scenarios where Philemon's likely course of action plays right into his hands (this is basically what happens with P2IS, where Philemon realizes he needs to engineer a hard-reset of the timeline in order to avoid a literal apocalypse). However, in general, the persona users and the antagonist characters in these games can be viewed as pawns of Philemon and Nyarlathotep.
This ending of P2IS is very important from what I can tell, because it establishes the formation of two parallel realities at the hands of one of these two, supposedly equally matched forces (parallel realities become a central plot point in all future Persona games; this is all but confirmed in Q2). Also very important is that Nyarlathotep is not killed or in any other way permanently defeated at the end of P2EP -- to quote our own wiki here, he is "banished to parts unknown". Now, as far as I understand it, the implication after the ending of the P2 duology is that Nyarlathotep, defeated and lacking power in P2EQ's reality, starts meddling in the affairs of various pocket dimensions/alternate realities -- not directly, but by introducing agents of chaos into those worlds via their respective cognitive worlds. Thus, every big bad in P3 thru P5 -- as well as the shadows in the cognitive world, being distorted forms of humanity's collective hidden desires and shames -- can be viewed as an product of Nyarlathotep exerting his influence over the collective unconsciousnesses in these realities, presumably in an attempt to retroactively win his bet with Philemon by claiming any "bad endings" as a victory in his name. Philemon, realizing this, has Igor hop into these worlds as his man-on-the-ground (meant to help keep an eye on the protagonist, but not directly interfere with their free will) and it's implied that he seeds the Modern Persona protags with their powers (although it's not always him who actually awakens them to those powers -- Yu Narukami is awakened by Izanami, for example). When his influence *does* show up as a visible manifestation in these worlds, it's usually in the form of a blue butterfly (in P5, the blue butterfly can be viewed as a representation of Philemon working together with the essence of Lavenza in order to make the "game" between Yaldabaoth and Igor fair again -- a game which, by the way, directly mirrors the initial bet between Nyarlathotep and Philemon). However it's occasionally implied that his influence on the world in question may have preceded him 'showing himself' to the protagonist, and often Philemon has no visual representation in the Modern Persona games.
What's important to note here is that the influence supposedly being exerted by Philemon and Nyarlathotep in the worlds of P3 thru P5 are all happening from outside those universes/dimensions/realities/whatever you wanna call them. However, their methods/ideologies can still be seen in their representatives in these worlds. The big baddies always claim to have given humanity a fair set of tasks despite their final judgment of humanity (that they are in some way worthless/doomed to descend into depravity) having been clearly predetermined from the start -- a reflection of Nyarlathotep's ideology and behavior in the Original Persona trilogy. Meanwhile, the persona users always serve as living symbols that humanity's will to do the right thing, while not always more present than their more negative traits, is nevertheless stronger than their base fears/shames/desires when allowed to act unimpeded. Their influence is, therefore, 'limited' to allowing their human pawns in these worlds to exercise their freedom of thought and will, along with some examples of either side's points (Igor/Velvet attendants constantly emphasizing the power social relationships for Philemon; inevitable, seemingly insurmountable public apathy towards their situation and/or willingness to give into the easy route).
I could go in depth about how this mirrors the dynamic between God and Satan in the Bible, with the protagonists taking the role of the tempted Jesus, but going too far down that path I feel can strip away the wonderful psychological/sociological basis of the Modern Persona franchise. A key part of that franchise is that there are no grand deity figures vying for direct control anymore -- only products of the human soul. They've just been tampered with slightly in the hopes of convincing the protagonists to use their free will in a way that helps one of two causes -- Nyarlathotep's or Philemon's. Unless a player knows about the Original Persona trilogy, they wouldn't even see the connections back to Nyarlathotep and Philemon's actions/ideologies in those games, because Modern Persona chooses to focus on what humans -- not humanity as a concept in the esoteric sense of other SMT titles, but humans making individual choices -- do with their free will in a system without 'real' higher powers.
All of this is enough to make your head hurt, and it's based on 20 years' worth of material, so it's very possible I'm misremembering certain points I've seen brought up in the past and I apologize if I haven't explained my meaning all that well. However, I think that's part and parcel of the lesson Persona franchise -- that the meaning in life isn't as clear-cut as picking one of three sides (Law, Chaos, and Neutrality), and that everything we know is a product of our own perception/interpretation of the world around us. Whether or not we believe in a higher power, how we treat others, and what someone would do if they suddenly get eaten by our television set... Each of these stem from people processing the same information differently. To that end, I'm merely recapping the most common meta-narrative understanding of the overall Persona franchise that I've seen floated around the fandom to the best of my ability -- it doesn't mean it's correct, or that other interpretations are in some way wrong, and for me to suggest so would illustrate a fundamental misunderstanding of one of the key lessons to be gleaned from the franchise. I hope this explanation helped you find the answer to your question; at the very least, I hope it gave you a narrative to consider in searching for that answer.
Sorry it's so long lol
@Crossark No problem iv'e played all of them
And thanks for the detailed explenation, and don't apologise for it being too long, in fact you actually explained some stuff that i never knew
What do you think?