Thread:Great Mara/@comment-35180808-20180624220035/@comment-3409031-20180625041110

Jesus christ because the messages are getting longer and longer...

My point isn't about his compelling factor of the mystery or whatever... I'm pointing out that he is also non-existent until we are revealed that a character called Shido exists. And no, we didn't knew he was a villain, like I said, he was only a nameless and faceless NPC that got Joker into probation, yes he was an enemy to Joker but doesn't change the fact that he's no one until he's revealed as someone named Shido.

I'm repeating myself because that's how it works in the context of this game. No, a main antagonist isn't someone on the top rank, but yes a main antagonist is someone who has done more actions even off screen because they are the cause of what is happening and in this case what Shido is doing.

In that example you give of Twilight Princess, a game I haven't played, from what it looks like it isn't the same case here in P5. From what you're describing Ganon only gave that dude powers but Zant was the one that caused evil in the land of Hyrule (assuming Twilight Princess happens in Hyrule), it was his actions and doings, Ganon had nothing to do with it except giving him power. In P5 this isn't the same, Yaldabaoth caused Akechi to be controlled by Shido, Shido became his pawn and created the Conspiracy, Yaldabaoth caused Joker to be a victim of Shido, Yaldabaoth locked Igor in another place, Yaldabaoth divided Lavenza... all of this was caused by Yaldabaoth. Later on Shido learned about the Metaverse because of Akechi (If I remember correctly) and started killing people that opposed him and thus by gaining allies for the Conspiracy to continue and be prime minister... this was caused by both. It's not like Yaldabaoth gave Shido a push and Shido did his own thing, Yaldabaoth made a lot of things to make everything work in his favor so your example of Zelda doesn't work in this context.

Yes, you're right, it takes more than just showing up and saying you're the villain... and that's what happens, we are shown what Yaldabaoth did, we saw what he gained and how he won (albeit for a short while). Shido's role became massive and impactful when we learn of who Shido is in the first place, when we learn who he is we start to put the pieces together of everything he did before the reveal of a character named Shido... otherwise he wasn't anyone, your argument of Yaldabaoth can also be used for Shido. No, Yaldabaoth isn't just a plot twist to end the game on... he was the driving force that made everyone and everything corrupt, he caused the evils that befell Akechi and Joker and everyone else. And he appeared in more than ONE scene... he appeared as Igor just as Shido appeared as Nameless and Faceless NPC.