Thread:Great Mara/@comment-35180808-20180624220035/@comment-3409031-20180624230959

That isn't the same thing. In your example Joker did every bad thing that happened but all of those bad things were caused by that guy called Nick because he initially manipulated The Joker. Yaldabaoth and Shido aren't the same case... Yaldabaoth causes this things to happen by using people constantly (like he used Akechi and Joker as well), to give an example he's like Nyarlathotep where he's causing everything by using another person as the means constantly. Now, if we use P4 as an example, let's forget Izanami exists for a moment and say Adachi is the last boss... it's revealed he manipulated Namatame to do the kidnappings but in this case Adachi only gave a push to Namatame to do this thing instead of constantly using Namatame or other people... in this case I would understand if Adachi isn't considered a main antagonist because he isn't doing anything, instead he only gave a push, Yaldabaoth on the other hand is constantly manipulating people and constantly not letting people know the truth... everything that happened in the game was to further his plans and his deal with Igor (so yeah, this follows the same formula as Nyarlathotep and Philemon).