Talk:Observation

Where does Dagda ever say or imply that his world is more individualistic?
"Dagda and the Anarchy-Neutral route's ultimate goal is to make Observation redundant by transforming humanity into gods with an inherent understanding of the world so that they will never rely on others as a crutch and be more individualistic and free."

Individualism and being free of others only ever seems to be used in the context of Nanashi letting go of his friends, not in the ideal world that Dagda envisions. Humans will be gods, yes, but he never once states that his world will be more individualistic.

The very text used to argue this has him saying the complete opposite:

Danu: Enough of this, Dagda. The Cosmic Egg must be destroyed.

Dagda: That's YOUR solution, Mother.

Danu: This world is home to countless deities and just as many different world views. We need to embrace that diversity for the betterment of all life. Only then can humans search for answers where there might otherwise be none, and foster their own growth and development.

Dagda: Finding their own answers, huh? Well, can't say I disagree with that. Trouble is, everything else you said is utter nonsense. Embrace the diversity of the deities? Each single idea of theirs is itself toxic. Such narrow-minded views need to be eradicated. Human evolution can only be made possible by casting away their imperfect selves.

Danu: You want humans to become gods. Do you have any idea what that would mean?

Dagda: "Gods" is just a word, Mother. Point is, humans must become more than human. '''Whatever word you use, the important thing is that humans answer only to themselves. That they find a future governed by their own free will, as one with the universe.''' This evolution, this true freedom -- it is my gift to humanity. But first, I must erase the deities of old and tear down this broken, aging universe.

Danu: Your proposed new world would change what it means to be human. Do you not see that their relationship to others is what makes them human?

Hallelujah: Danu is right. I'm half-demon, but I'll never stop being human.

Gaston: Regrettably, I agree with Hallelujah. We Samurai exist for the people-- for the sake of others. I simply cannot fathom how the existence of others would lead to one's ruin.

Navarre: I couldn't have put it better myself, brother. Even though I was just about to.

Hallelujah: ... Yeah?

Navarre: O-of course! What are you accusing me of!

> Nozomi bursts out laughing, amused by Navarre and Hallelujah.

> Still smiling, Nozomi turns to you.

Nozomi: What about you? What do you think, after all this time with us? Wasn't it rewarding to have each other's backs? Dagda's scheme ignores how important, how meaningful, friends can be. It also devalues all that we've accomplished together, as friends. If even just one small part of you treasures any of that... Then let's stop Dagda.

Isabeau: As Dagda said, we are not perfect. But we came this far. Is it not because we helped one another?

<p class="MsoNormal">Toki: Whatever choice you make, I'll be with you. I need you. I want to become strong with you.

<p class="MsoNormal">Danu: It seems we cannot see eye to eye, Dagda. As much as it pains me, we must end this. I will help destroy the Cosmic Egg. At all cost.

<p class="MsoNormal">Dagda: Have you forgotten what existence once meant for us, Mother? To be the rolling wind itself? To be the rain falling upon the earth? Look at us now. Pure nature forced to become Dagda and Danu.

<p class="MsoNormal">Danu: We changed because humanity gained new understanding. Is that really so bad?

<p class="MsoNormal">Dagda: That doesn't matter, Mother. This is about how far we've wandered from what we were. The "understanding" YHVH granted humanity is what locked us in these god-shaped shells. The longer we stay like this, the further we get from the essence of what we were. We need to become one with nature again.

<p class="MsoNormal">Danu: I understand how you feel, son. Truly. But I cannot allow you to do this. And if you will not change your mind, I have no choice but to stop you myself.

<p class="MsoNormal">Dagda: '''Can you really not live without others, kid? Can you not fend for yourself? No. You have a hidden strength--the power to find a path where none exists. Don't let sentiment blind you. These so-called friends only hold you back. Join me. In my new universe.''' The time is now. Choose.

<p class="MsoNormal">He's only ever speaking of Nanashi as an individual, he never says "purely individualistic" in his new universe, heck, I never see him suggest his universe will be more individualistic. Being one with the universe seems like collectivistic and the implication and outright statements are humans as a whole and not each individual... Is there something I'm not getting from this? The Truthful Knight (talk) 19:55, December 19, 2016 (UTC)

The Truthful Knight (talk) 19:55, December 19, 2016 (UTC)